http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#61f88b7e-175f-47e8-8df0-1e3dccca374c day 4 and everything I did worked great - no redness or swelling any more, a lot less blistering, and lots less crazy-hurty-itching...and thankfully no flesh rot! my recommendations (after 20+ years of gardening and getting too many necrotic spider bites, and trying many different ways to help myself): •NO SCRATCHING!! I think this is how people get really bad infected open wounds - and yes, a test of your will! •Aztec Secret clay+activated charcoal+apple cider vinegar = poultice, asap and often, to localize toxins/venom •cool compresses of water+epson salts, to remove clay and keep circulation to bite •Ledum Palustre 30C (homeopathic insect bite remedy) asap for 3 days •Traumed (aka Traumeel) homeopathic anti-inflammatory cream a few times around -not on- the bite for the first 2 days Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:37:32 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#61f88b7e-175f-47e8-8df0-1e3dccca374c Chili 2008-07-25T17:37:32Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#106cda41-4bd6-406b-94e3-74db9bbf6319 It is not surprising that he knew nothing of the bite until later . I was working on Robins AFB / Warner Robins Ga. when a friend of mine showed me a spot on his shoulder that looked sort of like a buckeye nut . He went to the military Dr. and was told that he had a recluse bite and that the recluse bite is seldom felt because of something that numbs the bite . He was given a series of shots (3) over a period of a few days and had no problems ., not even a scar . Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:13:42 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#106cda41-4bd6-406b-94e3-74db9bbf6319 W. O. 2008-07-25T17:13:42Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#95615bf7-0b63-4477-968f-b0bc88a0b4bb good lucking finding an open minded MD Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:08:29 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#95615bf7-0b63-4477-968f-b0bc88a0b4bb SynerGy 2008-07-24T13:08:29Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#d061f6a3-c469-4a42-8821-a05a61c73436 Are you sur eyou know what bit you? Secondly th esize of you rpalm is a large area.. you need to take something to reduc eswelling and also to prevent infection.. whether vitamin C or golden seal or echinacea. Also comfrey poultice migh twork. However so far you hae used 2 pooultices and you have itchy swollen area. I also suggest resting, keeping it uncovered, not looking at it every 15 minutes.. giving the area tiem to reduce while youare takign a good amount of internal anti-infection whatever you choose. Be at peace Cathy Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:06:51 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#d061f6a3-c469-4a42-8821-a05a61c73436 yogamoon 2008-07-24T13:06:51Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#867c8256-4ad3-4f33-8e5c-7b756ff56f2c 3 days ago I got a nasty hobo spider bite (or series of bites rather) and have used a clay+charcoal+acvinegar poultice to try to hopefully keep the impending flesh rot away aaaahhhhh it is now a blistery itchy painful mound on the back of my thigh that is the size of my palm. I tried the papaya slice and all that happened is that is made the thing freaking itch and sting like crazy - I would NOT recommend it!!! ow ow ow! homeopathic ledum palustre is also something I've been taking for 2 days; apis mellifica was recommended to me, but it made my fingers numb and tingly so I stopped using it. I'll post again with photos and progress... Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:28:36 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#867c8256-4ad3-4f33-8e5c-7b756ff56f2c Chili 2008-07-23T21:28:36Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#9238ded8-be91-4a4f-90d7-b241ab0a9833 I have heard that some people use Hyperbaric oxygen therapy / hyperbaric chambers to treat Brown recluse spider bites. It is the same type of chamber used for divers. It is well known to also treat cancer among other things. Fills your body and cells with oxygen. Tue, 19 Jun 2007 04:01:44 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#9238ded8-be91-4a4f-90d7-b241ab0a9833 Bala 2007-06-19T04:01:44Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#1ce959fa-489b-44d6-aebe-187f40dd809c The last time I got stung by a honey bee, my knees didn't hurt for a week. I wondered if it had anything to do with the sting. Tue, 19 Jun 2007 02:19:39 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#1ce959fa-489b-44d6-aebe-187f40dd809c Elise 2007-06-19T02:19:39Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#fa3d43fe-5231-4d15-8191-02307fde89d5 I am allergic to many types of insect bites and stings. I have found the best thing is to apply a poultice of papaya enzyme immediately upon being stung. You can grind up papaya enzyme pills and mix with water, or you can use Adolf's Meat Tenderizer [main ingredient is papaya enzyme]. I had very good luck with plantain on a bee sting on my foot that was swollen and had red streaks. The plaintain completely cleared it up in a couple of days. I did not have such a good experience with plantain on a bee sting on my hand. I seemed to have an allergic reaction to the plantain [in addition to the bee sting]. If you are out in the woods, grab some clay and mix with water and put on it immediately. Can't find clay? Grab some dirt and make a mud pie and slather it on. It isn't as good as any of the above, but much better than nothing. Mashed up comfrey applied to any wound that doesn't want to heal helps immensely. Nancy Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:36:18 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#fa3d43fe-5231-4d15-8191-02307fde89d5 Nancy 2007-06-19T00:36:18Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#388b9694-8a1c-42d2-9899-953427a72957 my partner used tobacco on a brown recluse bite on his young daughter. i think he made a mini-poultice by wrapping some tobacco in a tissue, had her spit on it and applied that with some pressure to the bite. this was within a few minutes probably of being bitten but it definitely "handled" it and i'm sure he swears that her spit was an important part of the remedy. Wed, 13 Jun 2007 04:34:50 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#388b9694-8a1c-42d2-9899-953427a72957 emily 2007-06-13T04:34:50Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#cc48f8bd-541b-4c76-9bca-569a7bb9c232 indeed, it does have quite a short life, one of the reasons we don't stock it here at our wilderness center, very expensive usually too... Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:42:30 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#cc48f8bd-541b-4c76-9bca-569a7bb9c232 Kiva 2007-06-12T23:42:30Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#934b0c28-8fee-45e5-86b0-b13518ce8701 topical as a spit poultice and internally... and yes I have used it... it does work best if used immediately... but I have used it after the fact as well, combined with larrea and yarrow, in fact i have used it for both terribly infected tick bites as well as scorpion and brown recluse venom... overnight poultices covered with gauze and taped on seem to work best after initial treatment of spit poultices changed ecery half hour... being way out in the mountains here in the sw i have treated a fair number of venomous bites of varying sorts, not rattlesnake bites just yet thank goodness.... Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:38:49 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#934b0c28-8fee-45e5-86b0-b13518ce8701 Kiva 2007-06-12T23:38:49Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#58c679ed-ce61-421b-abd8-eb3e05c8886f Plantain is very good for blood poisoning of various types, but in all cases it must be applied to the bite VERY quickly, and it must be replaced every 15 to 30 minutes. In the meanwhile, get the person to a hospital. The area might have to be debrided. Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:06:26 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#58c679ed-ce61-421b-abd8-eb3e05c8886f chuck 2007-06-12T23:06:26Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#e0a322e8-2a17-4633-870e-f34f72e52c75 I have a seven volume encyclopedia of insect drugs Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:29:07 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#e0a322e8-2a17-4633-870e-f34f72e52c75 Parad 2007-06-12T19:29:07Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#bce4d4da-677c-437f-863d-c215e6cd9bf5 the research in new areas of medicine involving insects and other critters of various sources is pretty interesting stuff. Heres a list of a few favorites PS you cant get more back to nature then that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maggot_therapy http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5319129/ http://health.discovery.com/centers/althealth/beetherapy/bkgsclerosis.html Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:21:42 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#bce4d4da-677c-437f-863d-c215e6cd9bf5 Dustin (El Guano) 2007-06-12T19:21:42Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#d21322c9-756b-4c92-9ea7-0b4933470aad Apparently in America, only black widow anti-venom is regularly produced. However, a great deal of research is being done on spider venoms for health problems such as heart failure, insomnia, and sexual dysfunction. Tue, 12 Jun 2007 18:21:19 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#d21322c9-756b-4c92-9ea7-0b4933470aad $item.owner.firstName 2007-06-12T18:21:19Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#8b38f002-97b9-46da-89b1-9766f97412f3 In order to get venom from a spider, you have to sedate the spider and shock it with an electrode. Time-consuming and impractical since very little venom is produced. Spider venom isn't at all like bee or snake venom, I don't think it's one that lends itself well to antivenin production, though I'd have to ask some of my more learned friends on the international arachnid forum, I know at least two are toxicologists. Not every bite from a hobo spider or recluse will necrotize, there is some suspicion that factors such as the cleanliness of the spider's surroundings and the health of the person bitten may influence how a bite heals. I know for a fact that I was bitten by a hobo spider (I saw it right after it bit me). I took some Benadryl to counter the allergic response to the envenomation, then started drinking water, washed the bite area well, and applied Neosporin and tea tree oil. It was tender for a few days, but then healed up as any other insect bite would. I supplemented my diet with echinacea/goldenseal, zinc, and vitamin C, plus kept up the antihistamines and extra fluids. Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:33:49 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#8b38f002-97b9-46da-89b1-9766f97412f3 $item.owner.firstName 2007-06-12T16:33:49Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#0f174c28-f8fc-45bc-a914-d82aa93545e0 here in Oregon a lot of people say that they got bit by Brown Reculse but it is the Hobo spider. Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:05:30 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#0f174c28-f8fc-45bc-a914-d82aa93545e0 Parad 2007-06-11T21:05:30Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#f93d5c68-141d-49ce-90f9-0b436e409d69 this is what I am talking about. Yes I have used the "liu shen wan" treatment on spider bites successfully. People do not understand that IT CAN CAUSE PROBLEMS FOR YEARS. There is another treatment that I have not tried that involves cauterizing over a slice of garlic. It causes a large yellow pustule to appear which is drained. Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:04:19 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#f93d5c68-141d-49ce-90f9-0b436e409d69 Parad 2007-06-11T21:04:19Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#ce45c097-9af7-4ef9-bc1e-287712b7a051 kiva,are you referring to topical use? a very good herb for drawing poisons,splinters,glass...you name it from the body..and easily acquired..is tobacco tobacco poultice will draw out the toxin but only if applied immediately after the initial bite Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:08:26 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#ce45c097-9af7-4ef9-bc1e-287712b7a051 brock 2007-06-11T20:08:26Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#2f1267fc-6c70-46a1-a3f1-7bfef3500116 exactly...and have you ever tried to milk a spider for vneom? expensive and rarely needed ,short shelf life.... Mon, 11 Jun 2007 19:57:24 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#2f1267fc-6c70-46a1-a3f1-7bfef3500116 brock 2007-06-11T19:57:24Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#2be93310-fb0b-4f53-8323-e0657c66cbd1 i think it would be mainly due to the fact that most anti-venom tends to have a shelf life, and most places dont want to stock medicine that they may possibly have to through out Mon, 11 Jun 2007 19:54:46 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#2be93310-fb0b-4f53-8323-e0657c66cbd1 Dustin (El Guano) 2007-06-11T19:54:46Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#8a23c878-3492-4df8-9725-15138caced3c I think every pharmacy and hospital should have anti-venom stocked and available. A victim could have mere minutes to treat a bite before they lose tissue, etc. It's unconscionable that I can't find evidence of anti-venom being available everywhere healthcare is available. Mon, 11 Jun 2007 19:48:24 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#8a23c878-3492-4df8-9725-15138caced3c Mushroom Girl 2007-06-11T19:48:24Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#749c8776-71c3-4425-a3e5-49a61c077f28 just curious, has any one ever used any of these treatments specifically for a bite from a brown recluse. they can require years of treatment and the injury can become reinfected years after the initial bite Mon, 11 Jun 2007 17:58:31 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#749c8776-71c3-4425-a3e5-49a61c077f28 Dustin (El Guano) 2007-06-11T17:58:31Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#3f10af20-71df-4fc8-b25d-98d677910050 I realize this is an old post and other's have already said this but PLANTAIN! It's nearly everywhere and it's incredibly effective for all kinds of venomous bites and stings... if I think it needs an extra boost I add yarrow and larrea (creasote bush) and maybe peach leaf, but really, Plantain is the supreme herb for this problem. Mon, 11 Jun 2007 17:54:59 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#3f10af20-71df-4fc8-b25d-98d677910050 Kiva 2007-06-11T17:54:59Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#aed00d8a-d2b8-4f6e-aea3-77c8ec6952c3 The most effective treatment for spider bite I have ever witnessed is the chinese pill "Liu Shen Wan" ten tiny pills are dissolved in vinagar and applied to the bite. even chronic effects are resolved quickly. This can be found at Chinese herb stores which are everywhere around Canada. Mon, 11 Jun 2007 00:07:32 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#aed00d8a-d2b8-4f6e-aea3-77c8ec6952c3 Parad 2007-06-11T00:07:32Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#53559696-f0e9-40b1-9c20-d73b5171030d First off, American tarantulas are not dangerously venomous, only a few species of Australian tarantula can deliver a deadly bite to a human. A tarantula bite hurts, but it's not going to kill you. Our only native medically significant spiders are the brown recluse, the widows, and the hobo spiders (Tegenaria species). Definitely seek medical attention if the bite is serious. I've heard good things about packing medical sulfur into bites that are trying to necrotize. For minor bites I use a mixture of neosporin and tea tree oil. I've been keeping spiders for almost 15 years (I've even rescued a Phoneutria sp. from a frantic produce department and had it for about a year after I caught it in a deli cup); trust me, spiders are way more afraid of you than you are of them. They're surprisingly fragile and very susceptible to environmental toxins. All of our significant native spiders have spread with increased travel and thrived because they live close to humans since we attract a lot of lovely things for them to eat like flies and roaches. Be aware of where you're putting your hands, especially in storage spaces, educate yourself about their habits, and don't buy into all of the fear about them. Just my two cents, but spiders are actually really neat creatures, that's why I have 20 of them. :D Mon, 11 Jun 2007 00:05:11 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#53559696-f0e9-40b1-9c20-d73b5171030d $item.owner.firstName 2007-06-11T00:05:11Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#b5d31bce-7e8c-4d55-b7e6-eb5e21e42715 I'm surprised nobody's mentioned charcoal (or maybe I didn't read carefully enough) but that the first thing I'd do. open a capsule, add a little water and apply the paste over the bite. It's first line of treatment at many hospitals, too, but you can save yourself the time and trouble. Sun, 10 Jun 2007 21:03:54 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#b5d31bce-7e8c-4d55-b7e6-eb5e21e42715 naia 2007-06-10T21:03:54Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#4521ac48-bb0c-476a-b22e-483c8a5a9629 I agree with the bit on spider communication. I live in a place that is loaded with spiders and we live in pretty good harmony. Never been bit so far. I've only killed a few, and that was in cleaning accidents. We have an understanding. Tue, 09 May 2006 06:51:09 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#4521ac48-bb0c-476a-b22e-483c8a5a9629 *Richard 2006-05-09T06:51:09Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#2e83a47a-89e4-4344-8941-aded4f6c4557 Damn hobo is what gets people on the west coast and people SWEAR it is the brown recluse. Hobo spider, look it up so that you can stay away. When I lived in Ashland, I found a black widow in my house. I put her in a jar and poked holes in the lid because I wanted my roommates to see it. The same night that I did that, I got three spider bites, not BW, I dont' know what kind, but I just figured she had told her arachnid buddies to put the fear of spiders in me. The next day, I told her to tell all her spider friends to be cool and not bite the humans, and I took her far away from the house and let her go. I didn't get anymore spider bites at that house. I know that a lot of people just kill spiders. I catch and release them away from the house. I HATE flies and mosquitoes, so I encourage them to eat heartily of the pest insects as I let them go. I would try a goldenseal salve if I got a spider bite, because that's what I have on hand. Tue, 09 May 2006 05:48:38 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#2e83a47a-89e4-4344-8941-aded4f6c4557 Elise 2006-05-09T05:48:38Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#a53aa21a-c2a4-4bd7-bc65-01cf8bd7998f I was just on the net browsing sites about potato poultices and came across a man who used grated potato wrapped in comfrey leaf for his spider bite...he was bitten by a hobo...he also was having massive amounts of vit c thru IV like 500,000 units..he said the swelling went down rapidly from the poultice....so theres another possible.... Sat, 06 May 2006 04:52:34 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#a53aa21a-c2a4-4bd7-bc65-01cf8bd7998f $item.owner.firstName 2006-05-06T04:52:34Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#a629d617-b8aa-4f9c-96dc-e07ddfb4d5a2 i haven't thought about that plant in a long time... wow. i don't know if its the plant you guys are talking about, but i totally rember this one... *i had to comment. it was always amazing as a kid to remember it as you found it -after you just got stung by plants or bugs. nice. Fri, 05 May 2006 06:14:30 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#a629d617-b8aa-4f9c-96dc-e07ddfb4d5a2 $item.owner.firstName 2006-05-05T06:14:30Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#bacbf61d-41e1-48da-a001-fda26e0a7756 Yes, You'll need a doctors perscription to get them. That may be a problem because it's not the medically recognized treatment. But if you search around, perhaps by writing the doc who started the nitro treatment, you should find someone who will give you the Rx. And it's only for the brown recluse bite. Won't work or help at all for other types. Oh, and you and anyone who touches you may test positive at airport screenings for nitro. Happened to me when a patient of mine, whos husband was using nitro patches, used my computer. Almost had a bomb squad dispose of my computer. Fortunately didin't get that far. Wed, 03 May 2006 14:47:22 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#bacbf61d-41e1-48da-a001-fda26e0a7756 *Richard 2006-05-03T14:47:22Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#2efa5a54-7c2f-47ca-a24a-1aac461d465b Are you serious????? The bannana spider will do that???? GROSS!!! And I used to keep tarantulas and I had black widows in my house, they never bothered me. I knew they were poisonous, but most spiders don`t like people and will not attack us. Widows will leave us alone unless we go looking for trouble (or accidently find thier nests I suposse) Spiders that chase things, that`s just not cool! What does a critter that small need a venom that poisonous for anyway? They can`t possibly eat us, we are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too big!! Yuck! Wed, 03 May 2006 13:49:54 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#2efa5a54-7c2f-47ca-a24a-1aac461d465b $item.owner.firstName 2006-05-03T13:49:54Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#04cf3832-0497-4a83-9257-a17bd5adfbd7 Very very very good to know. Do you have to get these patches from a doctor though? I work periodically in the bush in south central Ab, and we are always warned about the dangers of these spiders, it would be nice to have a patch or two handy, just in case you know. Cheers. Wed, 03 May 2006 13:45:02 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#04cf3832-0497-4a83-9257-a17bd5adfbd7 $item.owner.firstName 2006-05-03T13:45:02Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#c8a0c4ef-e12e-4e22-b165-180d2b44b5d0 That is a cool site, although I wouldn`t want to be that close to count it`s eyes to tell if it is a brown recluse. A lso, the web site says they live in south central United States. I know they live up north here in Canada as well. They are all over southern Alberta. Maybe it`s because Alberta (the south anyway) is a large grassland and desert area, much the same as the southern US, but they are not limited to that specific region. Just thought you might like to know. Nasty little critters eh? Wed, 03 May 2006 13:41:45 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#c8a0c4ef-e12e-4e22-b165-180d2b44b5d0 $item.owner.firstName 2006-05-03T13:41:45Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#52be2dc5-2b7d-4dae-a210-974f3e7ac4ad baptisia or indigo is a specific remedy for (poisonous) spider bites ~ i'd prob take it internally and make an external poultice with a clay as well. Wed, 03 May 2006 03:57:52 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#52be2dc5-2b7d-4dae-a210-974f3e7ac4ad εdεn 2006-05-03T03:57:52Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#4375d3dc-38b4-4f4b-8068-99e76cc6c235 I made sure it wasnt the last thing I saw and read before going to sleep. *hides under covers* Mon, 01 May 2006 06:51:50 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#4375d3dc-38b4-4f4b-8068-99e76cc6c235 Rose 2006-05-01T06:51:50Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#625a0da9-877e-4468-80a2-16ae0598f55c OH, I know this plant! I use it against nettle stings.( rub the leaves, use the "sap") When you pull the leaves out it gives strings, right? Mon, 01 May 2006 05:06:21 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#625a0da9-877e-4468-80a2-16ae0598f55c Vikinggirl 2006-05-01T05:06:21Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#ff1c2da2-70ab-4ca8-82bc-4a0cf1f98bbd Here's some more info on plantain.. Plantago major.. Description: Plantago major is a native United States plant which is widely distributed in all states and is a common weed which you have probably seen in your yard or garden. Actions and Properties: Astringent Anti-bacterial Diuretic Expectorant Decongestant Demulcent Vulnerary Emollient Neutralizes toxins Uses: Bladder inflammation, skin inflammation and itching, urinary tract bleeding, general bleeding, bruising, broken bones, congestion, respiratory problems, hemorrhoids, ulcers, gastritis, insect bites Chinese - urinary problems, dysentery, hepatitis and lung problems, asthma and bronchitis. Ayurvedic - Cough and colds Constituents [2]: mucilage aucubin glucoside minerals vitamins C, K and factor "T" Warnings / Safety: None found at the time of this publication. Mon, 01 May 2006 04:52:56 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#ff1c2da2-70ab-4ca8-82bc-4a0cf1f98bbd Gypsi Star 2006-05-01T04:52:56Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#6f52d521-183a-4fb4-a63f-356c16b9e278 Plantago major is a low growing broad leafed plant.. not associated with the bannana plantain. Mon, 01 May 2006 04:50:04 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#6f52d521-183a-4fb4-a63f-356c16b9e278 Gypsi Star 2006-05-01T04:50:04Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#15e10e8c-c042-4c2e-beb5-402307db7dac I heard something about chewed tobacco on mosquito bites. Is that true? Mon, 01 May 2006 03:46:27 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#15e10e8c-c042-4c2e-beb5-402307db7dac Vikinggirl 2006-05-01T03:46:27Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#bf82e10d-ea5e-47b0-bc37-af3bb13003c5 Also. Mon, 01 May 2006 03:37:24 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#bf82e10d-ea5e-47b0-bc37-af3bb13003c5 *Richard 2006-05-01T03:37:24Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#0362d8a9-998f-4006-bc64-a2321dab1bb2 I thought plantain was a type of banana. (?) Sun, 30 Apr 2006 21:49:57 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#0362d8a9-998f-4006-bc64-a2321dab1bb2 rebeccalee 2006-04-30T21:49:57Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#fd541188-7c77-402c-afee-24d72dd03010 Plantago major.. planatain.. it pulls poison and was used by the indiginous ppls here in Montana as a successful remedy against rattlesnake bites as well as many other bites. I have used it against hornets stings where I was bitten and had an immediate reaction to the sting (and 4 bites) The hornet stung me right on the vein of the inside of my right knee. It swelled instantly (within seconds) and grew a red line that begin trailing on both sides of the bite. I drove a short distance from where I was to my house and fell out of the car... where I began picking plantain out of the grass, chewing it up and applying it as a poltice to the bite.. I did this for a while.. bout 4 hours.. ( after a while I stopped chewing it and just crushed the fresh leaves applying it directly to the bite) I never had to go to the hospital (against my husbands wishes) and was completly cured of the poison within a day or two.. It had drawn all the poison out.. It would have taken less time except that the poison had went directly into the blood stream via the vein.. Sun, 30 Apr 2006 21:00:24 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#fd541188-7c77-402c-afee-24d72dd03010 Gypsi Star 2006-04-30T21:00:24Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#a806242b-442e-45dc-865e-13f7619b87b4 Its shamefull that the hospitals cant do better then that. Sun, 30 Apr 2006 08:43:21 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#a806242b-442e-45dc-865e-13f7619b87b4 $item.owner.firstName 2006-04-30T08:43:21Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#e76e1587-c257-4fbb-8a23-2e499fb03094 Plantain or Clay can be used to draw the poison out immediately...Anti-Inflamatories should be used topicly, and immune system boosting herbs and anti-oxidants should be used internaly..... Somewhere around here I have a book that gives the specific antitodes that can be found in the wild.. Sun, 30 Apr 2006 08:42:59 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#e76e1587-c257-4fbb-8a23-2e499fb03094 $item.owner.firstName 2006-04-30T08:42:59Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#59eeaad6-6c99-4cfe-bfe0-f2e31a786af2 And they are fast. Aren't you glad this isn't the last thing you are reading before going to sleep? Sat, 29 Apr 2006 18:43:06 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#59eeaad6-6c99-4cfe-bfe0-f2e31a786af2 *Richard 2006-04-29T18:43:06Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#2939883b-0de5-4a87-956b-33b2426a162a Banana Spider ( Phoneutria fera) http://www.petbugs.com/caresheets/P-fera.html Good f*cking night! 4-5"? Sat, 29 Apr 2006 18:39:26 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#2939883b-0de5-4a87-956b-33b2426a162a Rose 2006-04-29T18:39:26Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#ab892d4b-f6fc-40da-9a5f-b1903021d064 Thanks you guys!!! I of course searched and got alot of info too! He was bit in Georgia on his way back here (BC Canada) and did not realize it until he was here. It was over a week. At first he thought it was mosquito bite, but then it grew and grew.... he has been in the hospital since Thursday. What I learned is if you go to a doctor, he or she will probably give you antibiotics. While this is recommended because infection will almost always be present in the spider bite, the treatment is worthless at stopping the spreading of the chemical reaction and it will not stop any possible gangrene. Besides replenishing your body with live Enzymes and Tissue/Cell rebuilding foods, a natural cure for the brown recluse bite is a combination of essential oils of oregano, clove, Melissa, rosemary, rose otto, bentonite clays and electrical current. Other healing remedies for brown recluse spider bites are: MSM (internally and externally), high dose vitamin C (internally and externally), charcoal compresses (external only) and plantain poultices (external only several times a day for 20 minutes at a time). I have also seen mention of colloidal silver, however, since the problem with a brown recluse spider bite is chemical, and because colloidal silver works because of electrical issues (e.g. it does work on skin cancer), I have not yet convinced myself how this could work on spider bites. Thanks for all of your support!! Peace* Sat, 29 Apr 2006 17:39:13 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#ab892d4b-f6fc-40da-9a5f-b1903021d064 Lana 2006-04-29T17:39:13Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#21d6824e-7bac-4cee-b22a-32eda5158d6b Yeah, I heard about people getting bit by the Banana Spider ( Phoneutria fera) when opening crates of bananas from Brazil. This is one of the scariest spiders because it's fast, deadly, and really aggressive. It'll chase people down and then bit them just because it can. Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:43:31 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#21d6824e-7bac-4cee-b22a-32eda5158d6b *Richard 2006-04-29T16:43:31Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#865f61d3-1bdf-4ef1-baf6-032d114c1783 <There is a recluse spider that lives in the deserts, but the brown recluse isn't supposed to be here.> Bugs travel as people travel. Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:25:10 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#865f61d3-1bdf-4ef1-baf6-032d114c1783 Rose 2006-04-29T16:25:10Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#856ad34b-bbbd-4bf4-8158-c9e2bf8dc4d4 The Brown Recluse isn't supposed to be in PA either. But every year at Pennsic, people are bit. They come there in the luggage. And now have settled somewhere near the lake. Sat, 29 Apr 2006 14:08:57 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#856ad34b-bbbd-4bf4-8158-c9e2bf8dc4d4 Vikinggirl 2006-04-29T14:08:57Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#c5bf0d0a-68b5-46c7-960e-52ff13be3088 Too bad that it's not known what type of spider it was. There are only a couple species of California spiders that are poisonous; Black Widows and tarantulas. There is a recluse spider that lives in the deserts, but the brown recluse isn't supposed to be here. Sat, 29 Apr 2006 13:03:44 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#c5bf0d0a-68b5-46c7-960e-52ff13be3088 *Richard 2006-04-29T13:03:44Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#bc556c46-217b-430a-9042-7f10db4907a9 California Sat, 29 Apr 2006 06:41:29 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#bc556c46-217b-430a-9042-7f10db4907a9 $item.owner.firstName 2006-04-29T06:41:29Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#8eb81a75-7001-4a8a-8e57-c9f342d35161 Wow. Cali as in Californinia or Cali as in Columbia? Or something else? Sat, 29 Apr 2006 06:37:38 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#8eb81a75-7001-4a8a-8e57-c9f342d35161 *Richard 2006-04-29T06:37:38Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#58893725-d626-459f-b519-34ac80e579fe my ex who lives in Seattle was bitten in Cali from some poisonous spider...he was not recognisable and it took a long time to recover...he chose not to do the medical route as had heard worse things from taking the drugs....so he chose homeopathy and also did some other things...but eventually that is what helped,tho when he went back to the same area his body remembered and started to go into shock again and he had to get the next plane out of there....not sure what spider....but other people had flesh rot...and lost limbs... Sat, 29 Apr 2006 06:08:15 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#58893725-d626-459f-b519-34ac80e579fe $item.owner.firstName 2006-04-29T06:08:15Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#96d25c55-304d-47d3-968c-ea4a2c62f646 I personaly wouldnt trust homeopathy for something as potent as a spider bite. There are several plants that can be used as a poultice to draw out the poison, though I wouldnt realy do too much of anything untill checking in with the doctors and letting them administer the Anti-venom...you dont want cross interactions....maybe in this case homeopathy is the safest bet, despite being less effective. I would let the doctors take it from here, though if you were in the woods or the dessert with no access to a doctor there are certainly makeshift natural remidies that can save your life. Sat, 29 Apr 2006 05:43:42 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#96d25c55-304d-47d3-968c-ea4a2c62f646 $item.owner.firstName 2006-04-29T05:43:42Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#ae8eb1ae-d34f-4ffa-88ce-ea42e06d0484 http://www.geocities.com/yosemite/forest/2021/recluse/intro.html Sat, 29 Apr 2006 03:44:55 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#ae8eb1ae-d34f-4ffa-88ce-ea42e06d0484 *Richard 2006-04-29T03:44:55Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#db2914d6-89ab-4789-9464-bc4f8e0275be One of the best remedies I've heard of for Brown Recluse bites is a nitroglycerine patch directly on the area of the bite. Google it and you'll get some interesting info. The Nitroglycerine keeps the blood vessels from closing down and helps keep the tissue from dying, which is the biggest problem with brown recluse venom. It'll take an open minded MD though. Sat, 29 Apr 2006 03:42:31 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#db2914d6-89ab-4789-9464-bc4f8e0275be *Richard 2006-04-29T03:42:31Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#678db0eb-3d7e-4b38-afd9-c7b7a55ffa89 HERE !!! this will help you(some great picture to) http://www.uky.edu/Ag/Entomology/entfacts/struct/ef631.htm Fx Sat, 29 Apr 2006 01:20:51 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#678db0eb-3d7e-4b38-afd9-c7b7a55ffa89 ! Rob 2006-04-29T01:20:51Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#3192bd3e-56ac-4a60-bc2d-838e6ce4a16f homeopathy Sat, 29 Apr 2006 00:29:08 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#3192bd3e-56ac-4a60-bc2d-838e6ce4a16f $item.owner.firstName 2006-04-29T00:29:08Z http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#7546d7e8-2d5e-4492-810c-d572f276c802 Does anyone know of a herbal remedy that can be used when this happens? My friend just got bit by a Brown Recluse Spider who is now in the hospital. Any help to ease his pain would be appreciated!! PM me if you can please. Thank you so much! Sat, 29 Apr 2006 00:27:20 GMT http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/224a06c8-1953-487e-a3c4-a0d0b3d2c683#7546d7e8-2d5e-4492-810c-d572f276c802 Lana 2006-04-29T00:27:20Z