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Hello. I'd like to keep best care for my skin (tends to be dry) as I age and have stress. I exercise regularly, water and eat well, but I'd like to give it extra boosts TOPICALLY.
for instance - i've heard of using oils in place of lotions, know of which ones are good? i don't want to be dependant on lotions to maintain skin moisture either
also - circulation help topically, and free radical damage, pores..
anything topical and food/plant based really - open book. Please advise!
thanks,
Lynn
for instance - i've heard of using oils in place of lotions, know of which ones are good? i don't want to be dependant on lotions to maintain skin moisture either
also - circulation help topically, and free radical damage, pores..
anything topical and food/plant based really - open book. Please advise!
thanks,
Lynn
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Tue, May 19, 2009 - 9:46 PMjojoba is a good oil to add to a hot bath. it mimics sebum, and would be excellent with Allie's suggestion of Clary Sage. Coconut oil is good too. just add a few drops to a bath, you get the moisturizing feel you want, without becoming overly greasy. Castor oil in a bath softens the skin nicely too. -
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Thu, May 21, 2009 - 12:10 PMdepending on age and what you want do exactly- evening primrose oil- balancing hormones( as does clary sage) and excellent skin oil, though costly and can be mixed. Summer is coming, so a carrot oil is great for the sun's rays, carnation oil is excellent for pores- the list goes on- but what is good for the body is not always good for the face. -
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Thu, May 21, 2009 - 7:53 PMThanks Jody, do you have any books that I can reference? -
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Thu, May 21, 2009 - 9:14 PMhi lynn! this topic is going to get so many answers! oils, well herb infused olive oils are most common. other such as almond, apricot are used too. butters are great, for nourishing and protecting too. sesame oil can filter out uv, as well as lavender, which is also good for aging skin. as well as patchouli oil for aging and skin in general.
i made a cream we are finally getting to the bottom of the jar of, but it was cucumber juice for the water, rose water (rose infused witch hazel), sesame oil infused with lavender flowers (for sun and uv protection) and patchouli. that is it off the top of my head. i loved it for my face, legs and body in general. the only thing my baby wants on her skinned knee ( she refuses yarrow! weird....but.....). but made it with the idea of protecting myself from the sun while addressing the aging too.
any specific oil or butter or skin question? for itchy skin, chickweed and plantian, for oily skin, rosemary and patchouli, for dry skin : chickweed, comfrey, mullein, burdock.... it goes on and on.... -
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Thu, May 21, 2009 - 9:17 PMoh, rosemary gladstar touches on this in some of her books, she even has a " for natural beauty book" that should be cheap ($ 6) and also amanda mcquade (can't really remember the name and not going to dig...) healing herbs for women, or something of the sort, got the Aurthur right anyway....
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Thu, May 21, 2009 - 10:52 PMthe classic is jeanne rose's 'herbal body book'.
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 2:48 AMFor essential oils in English- The Fragrant Pharmacy, by Valerie Ann Worwood, and Aromatherapy A-Z, ( prefer this book, out of print?), by Patricia Davis. They cover some base oils. Go easy on the essential oils, less is better.
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 4:41 AMcold pressed coconut oil is great, it can be infused with herbs or essential oils like rose, sandalwood, jasmine, or whichever you like, for dry skin, as a moisturizer, I have found that yogurt works well, as strange as it may sound. In Ayurveda they say that sesame oil is the only one that penetrates the seven layers of skin and nourishes the deeper tissues, if it is infused with herbs it can carry their nutrients deeply, but sesame oil ruins clothes. Coconut is much easier on cloth, and has a cooling effect, where as sesame has a heating effect, so it depends on your disposition, or tendency to be hot or cool, then treat with the opposite quality. -
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 8:56 AMPure, organic coconut oil is my favorite. Great for your hair too!
Sesame oil can reduce about 30% of ultra violet rays, coconut and olive oils about 20%. Aloe Vera also inhibits about 20% of the rays of the sun. Carrot oil helps heal sun damage.
When it comes to buying a moisturizer, I really like Organic Excellence's CMax. Very wonderful for mature skin. www.OrganicExcellence.com
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 9:09 AMI like to apply plain cold pressed (virgin/organic) coconut oil to my skin after the shower, when I am still wet, then towel dry.
The oil does *not* mess up the towels ;) and it leaves my skin silky and not greasy.
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 2:36 PMI LOVE using coconut oil after I shower- my skin glows and feels great afterwards.
For healing (mild sunburns, itchy or dry skin) I use a salve. A salve is a mixture of beeswax and an infused oil, usually olive oil because it won't go rancid. My fave is calendula, sage, and plantain mix- it smells lovely. it does feel a little greasy at first, but it absorbs quickly. After I get a little burnt (I'm very pale) a nice coating of salve makes it go away overnight. There are lots of recipes for slave making on the internet, and most herbal remedies book you can find in the library will have a recipe too.
I despise most lotions...they smell like a factory and feel all slimey to me. You may feel the same after leaving them behind for a while! -
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Mon, June 1, 2009 - 8:25 AMSomeone asked about my specific needs, which I needed to clarify for myself as well. I've been reading and experimenting a little and this is where I'm currently at:
I want to care for:
- my dry skin (this one annoys me the most)
- encourage better circulation (via topical skin application)
- healthy pores in face
- good elasticity over all
I've washed with Bronner's for about six-eight months, which contains pretty much just plant oils. I feel dry afterwards, always have, and have recently switched from traditional lotions to using grapeseed oil (I like how it feels, but can't say that it moisturizes) and almond oil. I will also use geranium essential oil or clary sage - a drop in my hand with the oils. I also purchased shea butter, but it smells and feels like I'm spreading a stick of butter on my skin - which isn't necessarily bad, but I don't associate that with clean and moist, just unclean and greasy. I might make a solution of essential oil, the almond/grapeseed oils and shea butter ... and maybe vit E (but no water b/c that is what makes me dry). Wonder if Aloe Vera anywhere or even on its own would be good?
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Hope this helps clarify or offers up more advice or SHARING OF EXPERIENCE. What do you use for a daily lotion?
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Fri, July 10, 2009 - 2:23 PMI'm also use pure virgin coconut oil. I buy it at the health food market. It comes in a little tub container. It's solid and white/tranclucent looking. When I get out of the shower, 1st I dry off, then I lather on the coconut oil over my whole body. I even put it on my face at night time if I shower at night. The only weird thing about the oil is that it's solid unless it's summer time or you live in a warm climate. You can either take a chunk into your hands and work it into your skin, it will start to melt and become liquid, or what I do now is take my hair blow dryer and blast the oil in the tub until enough liquifies so that I can spread it on my body. The only downside to this is that the container that the coconut oil in is plastic so the bottle will start to warp a little from the heat. In the summertime I don't have to do this because it's pretty mushy already.
Oil is SO much better than lotions for your skin because lotions generally contain some sort of alcohol in them and just look at the ingredients to lotions! There is more than likely something in there that you can't pronounce and you have no clue what it is. Oil is a pure whole food. When I think of what I eat and what I want to put on my body, I want to choose something as whole as possible. Your skin is the hugest organ in your body right? I think that's right... it does drink a little bit of what you put on it. Coconut oil is so rich and perfect in my opinion. I've also seen people use olive oil or almond oil but my fav is coconut. It also leaves a nice little scent. It feels great.
I know someone at work that has REALLY dry skin and she couldn't find anything to help but someone at a health food store suggested Coco oil and that is what helped her. Her hands in particular is what she was using it for.
Better circulation will occur anytime you massage anything into your skin. Work towards your heart. So when you start with your legs, massage the lotion up, on your arms massage work towards your heart etc. I'm not sure about healthy pores in your face, you might want to try a cotton ball in apple cider vinager on your face before putting lotion on it to tighten your pores? I have definately noticed that using coconut oil regularly on my entire body has increased the elasticity of my skin. My skin glows and feels great. My husband absolutely loves it.
Another thing that coconut oil is great for is a sexual lubricant. Way better than anything you can buy on the market and once again, all natural. I read somewhere that the best lubricant you can buy uses coconut oil as their main ingredient along with other garbage.
I do use Dr Bronners as my all over body wash. What kind are you using? I use the liquid soap and I use the hemp almond version. I tried the eucyliptus and that stung my body bad. The almond hemp works really well for me and makes my skin feel soft and clean. -
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Sat, July 18, 2009 - 6:06 AMah! i just read something last night in reference to healthy pores....i will keep this in mind when i go back to the books.
just from experince: i make this linament and it is uber easy. buy some prepared witch hazel, fill a jar with lots of calendula petals and lots of lavender (i use augustofilia ..sorry about my spelling) then the top third of the jar i put in cayenne ..... i just crushed our whole dried peppers, and maybe used a few fresh, but i am sure whatever will work. i loved this. i use it after i wash my face as a toner....and the cayenne increases the circulation to the area......but you could add rosemary in place of the cayenne and i bet that would be awesome! it is really balancing to the skin....evens out over or under oily skin. i let this steep for a few weeks then strain.
and i also used this liniment on wounds, bites to ally itching, and sore tired legs. really all purpose.
haha! AND I REMEMBER WHAT WAS GOOD FOR THE PORES! prunella vulgaris, self heal. it is blooming now, but not for much longer.
it is much called for in these things, esp. with the face and feet.
and coconut oil- everyone raves about it. it is great, really for dry skin. but i have noticed it leaves such a thick layer on my skin i don't use it to much. but my skin isn't really all that dry. if i wore makeup i might have loved it more???
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Sun, July 19, 2009 - 8:56 PM''There are lots of recipes for slave making on the internet'' oops... although that's true, too!
I don't wear makeup either- the trick for coconut oil (for me, anyhow) is to just use a tiny bit. I rub the solidified oil between my palms until it's liquidy, then smear streaks around on my body. Then I rub the streaks into the rest of my skin, rather than slathering my entire outside with oil. I only do it every week or so (after I shower). The best thing for my formerly-over-dry skin was to stop using so much detergent (industrial bar soap). Now instead of irish spring or whatever I use handmade local soap, or none at all. I never use soap on my face, only cool water. After I stopped drying the hell out of my skin, I stopped breaking out, my dry spots evened out. I think our skin is made to take care of itself, if only we let it. -
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Mon, July 20, 2009 - 7:33 PMI use grapeseed oil because it is good for people with oily skin. It's the best. If you have an armenian or middle eastern market, buy it there for the best deal. I also love jojoba oil. I use these morning and night on my face and I always get complimented on my skin. I also like to make a scrub with a little white sugar.
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Fri, July 31, 2009 - 10:55 PMMany people here have recommended extra-virgin coconut oil, and I can attest to its benefits. I use this as my sole body lotion, every day when I shower at my gym. Extra-virgin olive oil, jojoba oil, and sesame oil are all great too. You can even use many of these on the hair as intense pre-shampoo conditioning treatments, especially if you have naturally-curly hair. The key to making oils on the skin work for you is to apply to damp skin, so they seal in the moisture. Unrefined shea butter is another winner too. Shea butter comes from West Africa, where the climate is harsh often being hot, windy and dry. It is used as an all-purpose lubricant/skin protector, and is even used on a baby's umbilicus after birth to help heal it up. I figured if it worked there, it would certainly work in the American Southwest where I lived for a number of years, when I discovered shea butter and started experimenting with it. I make my own face cream that has about 2/3 shea butter and 1/3 extra-virgin coconut oil, some vegetable glycerin and some lavender essential oil. My husband uses this on his body and it helped his dry itchy skin when nothing from either the drugstore or health food store did. My face formula was a godsend when I got a chemical burn from using a commercial alpha hydroxy serum that was too aggressive for my skin. The cream, along with daily applications of a mask made with ground-up oatmeal, aloe vera and honey REALLY helped, and I continue to use it as a night cream as it's pretty rich for day time if one is wearing any makeup. On days I'm not wearing any though, I'll just go with my shea-coconut formula. Shea butter has mild sun protection qualities too - about a SPF 6 which helps. It's not like the industrial strength sunblocks out there, but they have their own set of problems with being endocrine disrupters and the fact that coral reefs are dying on account of mass use of commercial sunblocks.
To help prevent free radical damage, EATING one's anti-oxidants in the form of a high-raw vegetarian diet is excellent, and also, one can make a vitamin C serum easily at home, that usually costs big $$ at the cosmetics/skincare counters. Since the vitamin C serums are not stable, making a small amount every couple of days is best for maximum freshness and results. Brightens the skin too. For pores, generally something with salicylic acid is the key as this kind of acid cleans out pores, so you could do the aspirin mask where you crush up a few aspirin and add just enough water to make a paste. Leave it on the face for a few minutes and rinse off. Another way that I have personal experience with for degunking the pores, skin-tightening and exfoliating all at the same time is the oldie-but-a-goodie Aztec Secret(bentonite clay)using raw apple cider vinegar - equal parts of each mixed together into a smooth paste. Leave on face for at least 20-30 minutes, then dampen face, and wash off. Apply a soothing cream like shea butter, etc. afterwards as this is pretty powerful. It does the trick though! Your face may be blotchy and red for an hour afterwards, so this is best done in the evening before bedtime. But your skin will feel really clean, firmed up, and pores cleaned out. I think aloe vera has natural salicylic acid in it too. Some people, who have oily skin just use aloe vera as their moisturizer. Since you mentioned dry skin though, you need something more.
Anyhow, Mother Nature has a whole array of beneficial oils, herbs and plants that are good for the skin - doing some research along these lines, learning some home-made recipes that are good for your skin type, and even consulting with a holistically-oriented esthetician would be good things to get into. Keep in mind also that many people all over the world have perfectly good skin and they are far, far away from Western beauty products. Often all they do is use a local oil, and some ground-up local grain for exfoliating, etc. Plus you can have fun with making your own concoctions once you get the hang of it, you know exactly what's in them and you can save some money too. There are entirely too many rip-offs with commercial face creams, etc.! Hope all this helps! -
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Fri, July 31, 2009 - 11:24 PMgreat input! thanks!
i add aloe vera juice to green clay to pull stuff out of pores.
i found mango butter to be nearly identical to shea butter.
green tea in witch hazel is a great toner, add a drop or two of sandalwood oil for blemishes
dip small squares or oblongs of 'bounty' paper towels in egg whites, and apply to the face and let dry. its just like a 'biore' pad. cheap and even better
one drop of pure sandalwood and one of pure frankincense, in a still wet palm from bath or shower, on a wet face, rubbed gently in, will refine the pores and complexion, and removes alot of fine lines. (the 'boswellin') in the touted products today, is merely trace amounts of frankincense oil.
sandalwood and myrrh is good for those who have overly oily skin
marigolde infusions make and excellent blemish clearer, by using it to wash the face with.
Schizandra berry is specifically known for moisturizing and clearing the skin when used internally.
kombochu tea, after about 3 weeks,(internally) moisturizes the skin, and is full of probiotics. -
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Sat, August 1, 2009 - 5:31 AMthis is a great thread; thank you!
has anyone had spedific experience with healing the skin from basal cell carcinoma and/or actnic keratosis (a form of sun damage that sometimes leads to squamous cell arconoma, which isn;t as deadly as melanoma but can metasticize?
I'd been keeping my actinic keratosis udner something like good good control for years, mostly with a combination of a coconut or olive oil infusion of very pure essential pils of wild carrot seed, helichrysum,lavender, frankincense, and rose seed pils, and more recently strong comfrey root I got the original essential oils recipe from Jim Green, author of "male herbal" and :"herbal Medicine makers' Guide," who used a very similar formula on a condition that he said was called "cancerous"on his own face.
there's a strong family history of skin cancer - bth my parents have had basal and squamous cell carcinomas removed nmerous times, and my mother has been especially hard ht by basal cell carcinoma, with some going deep enough to require skin grafts and other plastic surgery. she's also been through radiation treatment fo some recurrent ones. my brother also had a couple basal cell carcinomas that were fairly large removed before he was 35; not sure whether he;s had recurrent problems with BCC.
anyway, in May of this year, so a couple mnths ago, I developed a new lesion on m nose, almost dead center an inch superior o the tip that was crusty and bled easily. i started bandaging it partly to keep the sun off, and quit putting anything at all directly on it (on the idea that if it was a cancerous growth, I didnt want to encourage the' cancer cells to grow, and I know that comfrey, while it helps regranulate healthy tissue, can sometiems be an angiogenic for cancer tissue that "behaves" as it is healthy.); decided to o to a free skin cancer screening - American Academy of Dermatology sponsors these. there was one at Stanford Medical Center. the doctors there, all part of the dermatology department, gave me a good full-bdy check and said almost everythng loooked okay - except that the lesion on my nose was really suggestive of basal cell carcinoma. they recommended biopsy.
it took me 6 weeks to get a financial assistance grant from Stanford Hospital and Clinics (I have no health insureance and rely mostly on botanicals and diet to keep myself and my family healthy) and to get an appointment in Dermatology with them.
meanwhile the lesion started looking EXACTLY like the photos I looked up of classic nodular-tpe basal cell carcinoma.
except about three or four days before I gt in to see the dermatologist...doesn't it go this way often - it healed over and quit bleeding and the nodule dropped off, leaving a small depression-type scar. (about a millimenter deep and three millimeters wide) I really liked the dermatologist, who turned out to be a clnical professor of dermatology at the medical school whose research topic has been basal; cell carcinma. she went ahead and did a biopsy sine it had margins suggestive of BCC - and it came back negative for carcinoma but positive for atinic keratosis!
I asked her whether that was common, that one;s body could actually recognize and heal BCCs - there's nothign i the popular literature abut that - but she said hat it does happen. I have a strong general imune response (e.g., sedom get flu though I;ve never had a shot, don't develop complications if I do get sick, heal quickly after minor surgical procedures such as dental work involving soft tissue).
she did the nitrogen freeze on the place this ugly thng on m nose had een, plus a large thick actinic keratosis on the side of my nose near the bridge, and told me I should have dermatology check-ups every six months.
shealso prescribed a topical chemotherapy stuff for the rst of the AKs on my face - but I'm feeling I want o go back t using pharmaceutical-quality essential oils and botanicals first and see how far I can get with those, then MAYBE give the prescription stuff a try before I go in for a re-exam in late December.
I'd been pretty confident after twenty years that my AKs weren't turning into cancer, and I was unimpressed with the usual medical dermatology approach (burn or freeze or sand them off, they seemed to keep coming back.) it hadn't seemed to prevent recurrences for my mother.
so - since there is such ood information about skin care here, does anyone have direct perience with reversing AK and BCC with botanicals? I'm doing SO much better than m,y family of origin with this, in spie of the strong family history of BCC and SCC and all their medical treatments for it - and I'm a "moderate" about sun exposure, suing a mineral-based sunscreen on my face agin since this started - I was unimpressed with how much good my mother's rigorous use of sunscreen and protective clothing had done, and got concerned about dropping levels of Vitamin D from too much sun avoidance, but on the other hand Ive had other doctors tell me that I ahve "fog skin" - i;d had Aks frozen off by a family physician years ago who said that. they probably didn't go deep enough with the liquid nitrogen to make much difference that time.
I'm relatively fair-skinned, but not as fair-skinned as I was as a child and I anm graduaally but noticeably, don;t burn all that easily any more - type 3 on the dermatology 8-level scale of skin types.
your thoughts? I may get a good juicer, finances permitting, so I cn have carrot juice combi
nations every day. I've been vegetarian for about 38 years - since age 14 - and I eat mostly organic foods, lot of vegetables, beans, and whole grains.I love carrot juice and had a carrot-orange juice combo for breakfast every morning when traveling through Mexiico and Central America when I could, but the juice bars are ubiquitous in Mexico, even in relatively small towns! or at elast they were in the 1970s.) 30-some years ago; i credit it for staying healthy on the road. along with my good resistance to germs and my vegetarian diet.
I use only organic, sustainably harvested plants and plant products, for personal and planetary health and will not deal with "perfume-grade," chemically extracted essential oils.
again, any real experiential knowedge of herbs and botanical essential oils fr serious borderline cancerous sun damage would be appreciated. Dr Andrew Weil has a line of botanical skin care products out now, and I trust his knowledge (I;ve attended a few of his semiars) but this is incipient skin cancer, after all, not just
'alternative beauty oounter at Macy's" stuff to make myself look pretty...
ideas?
some other essential oils I;d noted from reading as good for damaged. mature skin but with which I have limited experience - blue cypress (as above, replacement for sandalwood),german chamomile, rockrose (AKA Cistus), clary sage, galabanum, rose geranium, myrrh, neroli, whic s basically orange blossom essential oil, palmarsa. I have a note about that old hippie standby, patchouli oil, in also being a "specific for mature skin"but somwhow the scent evokes my teenaged hippie years I'm rather sensitive to prerfume-y essential oils (and definitley chemically sensitive and can;t take most pharmaceuticals r use standard-scented personal or cleaning products) anyway and only use this stuff i specific therapeutic skin doses.
oh, according to Simplers Botanicals and their essential oils guide, sandalwood is endangered and we should use substitutes. they ve one they suggest and sell - blue cypress.
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Sat, August 1, 2009 - 12:19 PMaustralian sandalwood addresses that scarcity
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Sun, August 2, 2009 - 8:05 PMhi judith. my mom is going through the same type of thing. my best wishes to you.
i like to think of violet infusion, steeped overnight, and the plant material can be poulticed on any areas as well.
besides drinking the tea regularly, and eating leaves in salads, you can make a great cream to aid on one spectrum as well. i have a post about it here : themtnkind.blogspot.com/
also red clover infusion may be a helpful addition to weekly tea routine. and don't be afraid to try a new pesto or vinegar creation using these herbs as well. food as medicine. yum!
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