Bee Propolis

topic posted Sun, October 4, 2009 - 2:32 PM by  Liselle
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I got some yesterday, and am surprised by it's consistency. It's sticky like pine tar, and smells a little unpleasant, not quite 'nasty'.
Who's familiar with it? Does this sound normal, and what do you use it for - or what have you ever used it for successfully? I did some research, but nothing compares to 1st person advice and experimentation.
Thanks for input!
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Liselle
Sacramento
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  • Re: Bee Propolis

    Sun, October 4, 2009 - 2:41 PM
    bee propolis is a substance they make to keep the hive free from disease and pathogens, so by analogy, it is supposed to have similar qualities for ingesting it as a human, as a type of anti-biotic or anti viral. It does lend a hand when mixed with other herbs for increasing circulation. some reasearch has shown some effect on helping with arthritis. If its sticky, you may have got lucky and got a fresh, local source, which is better. It is helpful when used topically, on infections and skin afflictions. some people react to it, so do a patch test first.. :) Some people have great effectiveness with propolis, some have none at all, so this is a 'experiment and see what works for you' ingredient.
    • Re: Bee Propolis

      Sun, October 4, 2009 - 3:05 PM
      I chew propolis as cold prevention and when I get a sore throat. I get it at my local farmers market from the honey guy. I've used it for small rashes too.
      • Re: Bee Propolis

        Sun, October 4, 2009 - 4:46 PM
        yep, it's supposed to be sticky (I'm a beekeeper so I see a lot of it). If you chew it, it'll get stuck in your teeth. I believe I've read that it has a lot of known topical antimicrobial properties that make it useful for gum inflammation or other mouth infections. The main issue is how to take it= it's alcohol-soluble so usually a tincture works fine, it might leave a sticky film on your teeth if you're using it for sore throat or gum conditions.
        • Re: Bee Propolis

          Sun, October 4, 2009 - 4:53 PM
          your a beekeeper too? now im sure i like you! i loved my time keeping bees. i got my merit badge in beekeeping and bookbinding. :)
        • Re: Bee Propolis

          Sun, October 4, 2009 - 4:59 PM
          that was my next question - what to melt it in if I want a thin solution. Does it melt in heat? Well, I guess I can burn some and see what happens! :-) The vendor where I got it, said she also will mix it with powdered herbs - like lavender or mint - and burn it like incense. We started talking scents when I mentioned the unusual odor of it. It *looks* like it is combined with beeswax, but no honey smell at all, and the yellow stuff is just as hard and resinous as the brown swirls.
          I was considering incorporating it into a moisturizing body bar that I make in the winter for dry skin, which would involve heating it with other natural butters, oils and wax, but not if that smell overpowers everything else. It's not overpoweringly awful, but I wouldn't want to wear it.
          • Re: Bee Propolis

            Sun, October 4, 2009 - 8:09 PM
            my experience with soap is that if you use a smelly oil while performing the soap reaction itself (as opposed to later adding scents and essential oils), then the saponification process destroys a few nasty-smelling things that made the original ingredients smell bad, but I'm not sure if you'd want to put the active ingredients of propolis through that reaction- it might destroy the medicinal ingredients. You're probably talking about just mixing it into soap you've made, which should be fine- there are lots of recipes for making soap that involve alcohols, so you could probably use alcohol as a carrier to add to the soap. Be careful about open flame if you're doing this- there have been a few soapmaking accidents using one of the alcohol methods of making soap, use an electric hot plate and nothing that will spark if you're adding alcohol(with propolis) to hot melted soap or whatever. I would use 'edible' alcohol like ethanol (everclear), not something like isopropyl or denatured ethanol that has had poisons added to it to prevent drinking.

            Let us know if it'll melt enough by itself to be efficiently added to your soap base- maybe try melting in an old babyfood jar in the microwave (it's hard to clean it off of things). I can't recall how it is when you use soap on it= my impression is that it isn't soluble (or whatever) in soap so I don't think this would work.

            I know it's soluble in alcohol and, I think, in ammonia. My concern would be that in a soap it might just precipitate out and form a scum on your skin- but please try this on a small sample of soap and let us know how it turns out.
            • Re: Bee Propolis

              Mon, October 5, 2009 - 9:57 AM
              thanks for the info, but I'm not making soap - its a moisturing butter, formed into a cake like soap, but for smoothing on your skin after, like lotion - only hard. So, no saponification - just melting the different butters and oils and wax together.
              • Re: Bee Propolis

                Mon, October 5, 2009 - 11:12 AM
                aah, got it, and missed it the first time around.
                Interesting problem. Try melting a little in wax and see what happens- I suspect that it's not really oil-soluble but I'm not sure.
                • Re: Bee Propolis-update

                  Sat, October 24, 2009 - 8:56 AM
                  ok, the oil experiment was a bust. I melted a bit of cocoa butter and coconut oil together, and tried to stir in a chunk of propolis. It just sat there. Stirring or trying to incorporate it just made it clump in different shapes. The vendor had said she was pretty sure a high heat would destroy it's properties, so I gave up. Didn't want the smell of that stuff scorching with smoking oil in my house anyway. ;-) And it was easily retrieved in entirety from the oil to try again.

                  So now I'm trying to dissolve it in alcohol. I've used a tablespoon or so of 80 proof vodka and it doesn't really want to melt smoothly, but it's definitely softened and creamier on the edges of the chunk I sacrificed. So, I'm applying it to a little spot I've had for a while - I suspect another small skin cancer or at least sun damage on my chest. I'd tried to put some on it in its original form, and the propolis wouldn't 'let go' of my finger in order to cover the wound and I didn't want to put a big layer on it and cover it with a bandage, cuz I get a reaction from the adhesive that is usually worse than whatever scrape I'm covering. And this shows at my collarwhile wearing my button up work shirts. Anyway - it spread smoothly using the toothpick I was stirring it with, and then the alcohol seemed to evaporate leaving a pretty good sealed covering, but it is discreet enough to not need to cover with a bandage. I'd call it a limited success!

                  Oh, and the funny thing is, I'd found the same vendor at the last faire of the season, so I bought another tin of it, so as to have plenty to experiment with - and also a good supply in case it WORKED. Then on the way home, I was discussing my ideas with my husband and he reached in his pocket and pulled out *another* one. LOL I love my husband. What other guy would buy 'bee poop' as a gift for his wife. :-)
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                    Re: Bee Propolis-update

                    Sat, October 24, 2009 - 11:28 AM
                    interesting. It's not poop, by the way, it's tree resin that bees collect and I THINK they modify it slightly (if I recall right).

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